What happens when political corruption leads to a wrongful conviction? Unfortunately, that’s what unfolds in the podcast, Murder in Oregon, hosted and produced by today’s guest, Lauren Bright Pacheco. Lauren is an Emmy award winning TV Producer who has parlayed her storytelling skills to podcasting. It’s in this medium that she discovered “audio activism” which has illuminated something I’ve been seeking for quite some time!

What do you get when a successful reality TV producer crosses paths with a celebrity so famous that her social media following rivals the population of a small country?

A true crime podcast called THE SYSTEM, executive produced and hosted by Kim Kardashian and today’s guest, Lori Rothschild.

Picture it: you’re at a formal dinner and get seated among strangers. Everyone goes around and shares their name and where they’re from. One table mate says “I’m Susan, I’m from Galveston.” You can’t help but say “Galveston? I can’t hear that without thinking of Robert Durst.” People laugh knowingly. Did I mention the dinner was at CrimeCon? Aforementioned table mate says “I was the judge who presided over Bob Durst’s trial in 2003, for the murder of Morris Black.”

Matthew is perfectly suited to lead this conversation as a former LE officer, frequent guest on news outlets, and security analyst at the Mayo Clinic. He also lives near Minneapolis and talks about the palpable relief in the community. You can learn more about him and his book which we talked about length in his original interview on DIE-ALOGUE:

I spoke with Brittany Bookbinder who is covering his current trial for the 2000 murder of Susan Berman in Los Angeles. Along with Kary Antholis, Brittany reports for, and co-hosts the podcast, JURY DUTY: The Trial of Robert Durst.

I brought on two experienced lawyers and fantastic people: David Rudolf ( criminal defense attorney for Michael Peterson) and his wife, Sonya Pfeiffer, former award winning journalist, turned lawyer. The two now focus entirely on wrongful convictions and host a podcast, ABUSE OF POWER, which recently won a webby- YAY!